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Started by droqen, December 31, 2022, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: KastrupFact 1: there is subjective experience. This is the primary and incontrovertible datum of existence.
Quote from: Meacham. . . it can be argued that the primary datum of existence is not that there is experience but that there is a world. Only after some reflection do we realize that it is we who experience the world.
QuoteKastrup says he makes no assumptions about the nature of that which experiences (TWE).But in Inference 1 he does make an assumption about TWE. He says it is something excitable. It can be in motion. It is a sort of medium that contains or is composed of patterns of excitation.
Quote[Kastrup makes] an assumption about TWE. He says it is something excitable. . . . It is a sort of medium that contains or is composed of patterns of excitation.
Quote from: Kastrup, via MeachamInference 2: . . . [various arguments, statements] . . . From all this we must conclude that TWE is uncaused, irreducible. It simply is. Technically, we say that TWE is an ontological primitive.
Quote from: MeachamHe concludes that since TWE is unexplained both under monistic materialism and under dualism, it must be an uncaused, irreducible ontological primitive.
Quote from: MeachamHe then adds an additional premise, one not stated in his list of facts, that it is impossible to conceive how arrangements of physical stuff could result in sentience. But he gives no evidence for the assertion except citing an authority or two. As a matter of fact, it is quite controversial, and there is a large body of literature devoted to arguments pro and con.
Quote from: Meacham, underline addedHe alludes to dualist explanations of the mind-body problem and claims that they might explain how physical stuff could modulate experience but also claims that TWE would be unexplained.
QuoteHe concludes that since TWE is unexplained both under monistic materialism and under dualism, it must be an uncaused, irreducible ontological primitive.
Quote from: The Idea of the World, Kastrup, 64. . . this still leaves 'that which experiences' entirely unexplained, . . . we can conclude that:Inference 2: TWE is an ontological primitive, uncaused and irreducible.
QuoteOK, that's enough. There are many more nonsequiturs, unexamined premises and the like. Poking holes in this guy's argument is like shooting fish in a barrel. The conclusion to be drawn, however, is not necessarily that Kastrup's metaphysics is wrong. It may be simply that logical derivation is a poor way to ground or justify metaphysics.Kastrup is trying to get at something important. Even if his derivation is flawed there may be something worthwhile in his conclusion, so let's start there and see if it makes sense.