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#31
Primordial soup / Re: a theory of coping
Last post by droqen - March 04, 2025, 01:09:21 AM
there was a presentation today in which a school said they stood not only for the value of art's making to the artist, but also in art that puts us more in touch with our humanity... i didn't write down the exact phrase, but it was incredible to hear this, this position, sent right back to me.

these are the functions of art, the real functions of real art, the real good real stuff.
#32
Primordial soup / Re: a theory of coping
Last post by droqen - March 03, 2025, 10:13:21 PM
to think about enjoying life as coping is frightening -- i don't do it lightly, or often, or completely. but as a lens it helps me to understand some things a little more.

"you're a creative,"

said someone to me today. i said (shouted) back, too late, that i was sure that they were a creative, too. through this lens, was i telling them they could, or should, use artmaking to cope?
#33
Primordial soup / Re: a theory of coping
Last post by droqen - March 03, 2025, 12:32:19 PM
recently i thought of a theory; what if i consider myself as depressed, and these projects--constructed in just a way--are the vehicle which allows me to cope? depression... i've known lots of people afflicted by it throughout my life and never thought anything i was feeling was ever bad enough to want to do NOTHING, to completely disable me.

i could always work on a project, on the right sort of project. so how could i be! depressed, that is. i had just been distracted by a fun project--that's why i couldn't do anything else. it wasn't interesting enough.
#34
Primordial soup / Re: a theory of coping
Last post by droqen - March 03, 2025, 12:29:40 PM
it doesn't bode well for team projects, or commercial aspirations. in fact, these circumstances are even more likely to lead to it! but what "it"? i wonder why. it has happened many times... projects that die in my heart.
#35
Primordial soup / Re: a theory of coping
Last post by droqen - March 03, 2025, 12:28:41 PM
"but why does it have to be this way?" i have almost stopped wondering. this is just something that happens. so i live with it.
#36
Primordial soup / a theory of coping
Last post by droqen - March 03, 2025, 12:28:10 PM
many times, i am working on a project and it stops dead in my heart.
#37
Close reading / Re: Utilitarianism
Last post by droqen - February 28, 2025, 06:36:11 PM
this second chapter ends with a long passage on how any set of second-order ethical/moral laws will, must, leave room for individual judgement: human life is complicated. in the case of utilitarianism, the 'first principle' of maximizing happiness acts as a singular "umpire" which may be called upon by the individual adjudicator in these spaces where ambiguity exists.

i hope that makes sense. it makes sense in my head, but it's hard to describe; i am not sure whether what i have written serves as either a good explanation (for one who has forgotten or never known what is contained on these pages) or as a good mnemonic for reminding the familiar self (which is my preference), but it is what i have written.
#38
Close reading / Re: Utilitarianism
Last post by droqen - February 28, 2025, 06:20:42 PM
back to the present -- back to the last few pages before Chapter III.

295

Quote. . . defenders of utility often find themselves called upon to reply to such objections as . . . there is not time, previous to action, for calculating and weighing the effects of any line of conduct on the general happiness.

. . .

The answer to the object is, that there has been ample time, namely, the whole past duration of the human species.

in this statement is a qualification that i have been looking for for the value of art, of stories, of, say, imaginary conundrums. not all of them, of course, but the mass of them, what is the purpose of art? art as part of human history, of human culture, encodes within it sticky ideas which take part in the mass that is human knowledge... this is civilization.

works play a part in this grand amalgam harmony,
which on the whole guides all of human action.

nothing could be more important than this. though the role that art plays is not clear, i can say without reservation that i do believe it plays some part, and i may wish to spend a greater part of my life in pursuit of a more meaningful impact upon this mass, of which some, but only some, part is a pursuit of a greater understanding of it.

..

QuotePeople talk as if the commencement of this course of experience had hitherto been put off, and as if, at the moment when some man feels tempted to meddle with the property or life of another, he had to begin considering for the first time whether murder and theft are injurious to human happiness.

There is a vessel by which humanity carries a lack of such ignorance to each such 'man'. Mill suggests that members of such a vessel include (296) "notions . . taught to the young", "law", and "opinion". I do not believe he presents or seeks to present an exhaustive taxonomy of elements, only example delivery mechanisms which participate in this 'mass' or 'vessel', as I have called it above.

(civilization and human knowledge, the 'massive vessel'...)
#39
Close reading / Re: Utilitarianism
Last post by droqen - February 28, 2025, 06:01:58 PM
282

QuoteFrom this verdict of the only competent judges, I believe there can be no appeal. On a question which is the best worth having of two pleasures, or which of two modes of existence is the most grateful to the feelings, . . . the judgement of those who are qualified by knowledge of both. . . must be admitted as final.

There is an extra clause which I removed, "or, if they differ, that of the majority among them"; I believe that all valid judgements must agree, although I am more liberal than some when it comes to invalidation of judgements. A mere majority is not, ever, sufficient.

edit:: I understand the practical considerations of appeal to majority -- it is a loose, rough, but inexpensive discarding of noise. Were we to study every individual case of disagreement in depth in order to determine how (and whether) to invalidate it, there would be no arriving at a conclusion. Still, we are here in the land of make-believe, of ideals; I wish that Mill's Utilitarianism presented a competent counterpoint to my present position, or else acknowledged that perfect consensus is desirable but not practical. In any case, I cannot abide by this unqualified reliance upon majority.
#40
Close reading / Re: Utilitarianism
Last post by droqen - February 28, 2025, 05:44:46 PM
argh i'm close to the end but i feel a need to revisit something from earlier. truly, what is meant in this essay by 'greater happiness' or pleasure.

279-280

Quote. . . what makes one pleasure more valuable than another[?]

. . . there is but one possible answer. Of two pleasures, if there be one to which all or almost all who have experience of both give a decided preference, irrespective of any feeling of moral obligation to prefer it, that is the more desirable pleasure.

. . . by those who are competently acquainted with both . . .
. . . one . . . placed so far above the other that they prefer it . . .
. . . even though knowing it to be attended with a greater amount of discontent . . .
. . . and would not resign it for any quantity of the other pleasure which their nature is capable of.

We can construct a statement that describes, though does not necessarily prove, the existence of pleasures as above others in terms of sheer "quality, so far outweighing quantity as to render it, in comparison, of small account."